Deus Ex (1)

alixon · Post by **alixon** » Fri May 23, 2008 12:14 pm

In my opinion, Deus Ex 1 is the best FPS action-adventure ever made.
Ion Storm did an amazing job.
Unfortunately, DX2 was a bad move.
Now i'm waiting for DX3 ...

Post by **Jonas** » Fri May 23, 2008 1:32 pm

I doubt you'll find much opposition to any of that here.

Welcome, btw

Post by **metche_steele** » Fri May 23, 2008 2:16 pm

Hi Alixon!

You have the cutest avatar

Hope to see you around the forum

alixon · Post by **alixon** » Fri May 23, 2008 2:22 pm

Jonas wrote:I doubt you'll find much opposition to any of that here.

Welcome, btw

Good to know.

metche_steele wrote:Hi Alixon!

You have the cutest avatar

Hope to see you around the forum

Hi hi hi.
I hope so.

Post by **DDL** » Fri May 23, 2008 2:30 pm

I think I've played through IW more than I have DX, though. The physics are just too funny not to, and DX takes far too long to get through.

Plus you get to shoot tracer tong in the face. That alone should earn it GOTY status.

Jetsetlemming · Post by **Jetsetlemming** » Fri May 23, 2008 4:20 pm

I'm of the opinion that if only Ion Storm had survived for a little while longer, they could've patched IW with some of the fixes from DS, which would've made it 10x better, or at least more playable.
I'm amazed that, over the years, nobody's come up with a fan patch/mod for IW that does things like remove universal ammo and replace the IW renderer with the better one from DS...

alixon · Post by **alixon** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:23 pm

DX2 was a bad move not necessarily because its very bad 3d engine or its very large list of bugs.
It was a bad move because it had no story.

I think DX1 was so great because of Warren Spector.
But I might be wrong.

EER · Post by **EER** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:44 pm

For the sake of argument, I am going to say that Deus Ex 1 is the worst game I have ever played. Give me some time to come up with irrational arguments, so that this topic can stay alive for another weekend

alixon · Post by **alixon** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:51 pm

EER wrote:Give me some time to come up with irrational arguments, so that this topic can stay alive for another weekend

I don't get your point but I'm not looking for flames so we can close this discussion.
Let's hope DX3 is going to be something close to DX1b.

EER · Post by **EER** » Fri May 23, 2008 8:16 pm

Oh I'm just crazy like that, but if you want to leave it then I'm ok with that. We can just proclaim this thread the make-fun-of-Jonas thread.

DaveW · Post by **DaveW** » Fri May 23, 2008 9:57 pm

alixon wrote:DX2 was a bad move not necessarily because its very bad 3d engine or its very large list of bugs.
It was a bad move because it had no story.

DX2 had a bad engine? A large list of bugs? No story?
I must've picked up the wrong game at the shop.

Akerfeldt · Post by **Akerfeldt** » Sat May 24, 2008 4:21 am

Clearly a subjective statement, however even the game's project director said it had "the wrong story, the wrong renderer, the wrong AI, and it shipped too early".

Solid_Choke · Post by **Solid_Choke** » Sat May 24, 2008 10:47 am

DaveW wrote:
alixon wrote:DX2 was a bad move not necessarily because its very bad 3d engine or its very large list of bugs.
It was a bad move because it had no story.
DX2 had a bad engine? A large list of bugs? No story?
I must've picked up the wrong game at the shop.

Clearly you didn't buy the game before the first few patches came out. That game had some horrible coding. I rank it in my "good games" list which is pretty high praise coming from me. With the patches and the high def textures the game is SO much better. I still like DX1 better though.

Post by **DDL** » Sat May 24, 2008 11:39 am

I'll repeat: you can SHOOT TRACER TONG IN THE FACE.

I know you could technically do that in DX1, but it didn't achieve anything. In DX2 you can both kill him, and exploit the ragdoll system to hilariously vandalise his corpse. How can you not love this?

My only real complaints with DX2 are the universal ammo, the fact that the default pistol is basically good enough for everything in the game except commandos, and the just plain lack of enemies. I really wanted a 'ton-hotel style shootout or two, but it's a max of five or six badguys per map, pretty much.

that guy · Post by **that guy** » Sun May 25, 2008 12:30 pm

Having dealt extensively with the DX code I can safely say that it is awful. In fairness this can be said about most games due to time pressures however I dont think its really a fair complaint about DX2.

DX2 was a good game in its own right. Its no DX but sequels are often not as good as their predecessors. That doesn't make it a bad move to make a less successful sequel.

DDL: You can shoot tracer tong as much as you like in dx until you run out of ammo. Surely thats more fun than shooting a corpse