Taste It... It's Technical

[Mr_Cyberpunk]

but no RPG.. Inverntory ect.

[CadeF]

Inventory, probably, rpg, probably not. It's too much work to get conversations and missions out of Deus Ex.

[Dragon]

what exactly is the final aim? only improving the rendering part of the engine ( and collision part as you mentioned ) or improving the entire engine ( hence including sound and what not else )?

[justanotherfan]

is this a new render for deus ex?

There's already an updated OpenGL renderer available. It looks like this is an entirely new engine that will replace DeusEx.exe and use the content files that Deus Ex used. It seems it won't be a complete replacement-

It's too much work to get conversations and missions out of Deus Ex.

Ah, that's too bad. I would certainly have liked to have seen Deus Ex "opened up" so to speak, for the community. HDTP will update the textures, and that'll make a huge difference but the game lags behind the times greatly. A new engine could mean great new modifications, a new and better sound system (AC3 etc), ongoing updates to Deus Ex and easy ports to other platforms (winlib, whatever). Depending on how far the new engine goes, perhaps the community could pick up where it gets left off (open source, gods willing).

I'm a complete outsider to game modding (and engine writing), so please excuse any misunderstandings.

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[Ajare]

Hey, this is good stuff, especially given your age (hope that doesn't come over as patronising). I used to do realtime 3d as a job but gave up on it a few years ago, so I'm rather out of the loop with regards the cutting edge. I do hear though that BSP is on its way out - what are you using instead?

I'm a complete outsider to game modding (and engine writing), so please excuse any misunderstandings.

Well, your basic misunderstanding is the amount of effort required to write an entire game engine . I'm of the opinion that anyone who can do that really ought to making their own game, rather than remaking another.

[CadeF]

My final aim, is to get a game engine up and running, not related to Deus Ex. However, scince it supports Unreal .t3d maps, Unreal info .t3d maps and exported meshes, Deus Ex maps (and some other games) can be loaded into it.

I use BSPs for collision detection and Octrees for visibility culling.

[Dragon]

@Ajare:
BSPs are not outdated. they are best used for closed environments ( or portal based systems ) but for large open fields they are inadequate.

[justanotherfan]

Well, your basic misunderstanding is the amount of effort required to write an entire game engine :). I'm of the opinion that anyone who can do that really ought to making their own game, rather than remaking another.

Yeah, I was surprised to see what was already there, I probably just thought there was more done than there is.

Engines are hard to program, extremely complex, lots of work. It's why I'm surprised someone would write an entire new engine compatible with Deus Ex and not to make it a drop-in replacement when there are open source engines like Cube or cheap engines like Torque available.

[Ajare]

@Ajare:
BSPs are not outdated. they are best used for closed environments ( or portal based systems ) but for large open fields they are inadequate.

In the past, certainly. But from what I've been reading they seem to be being superceded for indoor environments, too.

[CadeF]

I'm using LUA for scripting and ODE for rigid body physics.

Some new screenshots here -> http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums ... _id=380495

[DaveW]

Hey, this is good stuff, especially given your age (hope that doesn't come over as patronising). I used to do realtime 3d as a job but gave up on it a few years ago, so I'm rather out of the loop with regards the cutting edge. I do hear though that BSP is on its way out - what are you using instead?

BSP is very much in. UT2007 still relies on it, although no where near as much as before. If you go into most UT2004 maps and turn static mesh's off - very little is left. But games such as Half Life 2 rely heavily on BSP.

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