Here: http://irrationalgames.com/insider/anno ... 1999-mode/

Happy now, Jaedar? Hassat?

I love some of the comments:



"We don't just want you to pander to us, we actively want you to stop pandering to everyone else!!!111 "


Fucksake.

I'm willing to bet that none of the people here clamoring for a feature like this will actually complete the game on this mode without consulting a guide or starting the game on another mode first.

Not a lot, mind you, but I'd be willing to put a hundred bucks down.

I'd be surprised if this difficulty mode is as SS2 was.

Because I've heard stuff like this before... and the games generally weren't that hard at all still.
Also, Aemer, I am willing to do such. Just buy me the game on launch day and another $50,- game I want... and you'll see me do it. Otherwise I will wait till the price-drop, as I always do .

.... I really dunno what to say. See, I started with something kind of offensive but I don't get what your problem with that comment is. The guy thinks your narrative choices should be permanent in all game modes. You think KOTOR would be better if you could go full evil the entire game, force zaalbar to kill mission and then 3 seconds before the game go full light side and resurrect mission? Cause that's what he's saying shouldn't happen.


Happy? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Game definitely moved up from "pirate at best" standing.


If I wind up getting this game, I will remember this. I Find your lack of faith disturbing.

Oh fucking grow up.

This isn't KOTOR, and anyway your example is nonsensical and massively retarded. A better example would be "play massively darkside and then at the last moment try to turn bastila back to the light and thus suddenly swing hugely to the lightside", because A)that doesn't introduce idiotic resurrections, and B)you can actually do that in the game anyway.

This, on the other hand, is a bioshock game, so by permanent choices they are referring at least in part, and possibly mostly in full, to things like skills and plasmids and so on. Things you were able to freely switch round in the first game (possibly the second? Haven't played it).

It's not enough, apparently, to have a mode coded up purely to allow all the OMG OMG PERMANENT CHOICES AND CONSEQUENCES OR MAH LIEF IS TEH MAENINGLESS crowd to live out their "lasting regret" fantasies, he's specifically demanding that they also force that mode on everyone who DOESN'T want that sort of fixed-consequence gameplay. Which is fucking stupid. Incredibly fucking stupid.

Also, totally unable to grasp the concept of "optional".



-THEN ENABLE THAT FUCKING MODE, YOU UTTER MORON

It just seems ludicrous that the moment a company bends over backwards to accommodate the frothing NMAers of the bioshock world, one of them demands they also deny "non-frothy casual gameplay" to anyone who doesn't want all this HARD CHOICES shit.

No my example is what happens when you have non-permanent choices that can be changed any time. I'm glad we agree that it would be massively retarded.



Yes but making those permanent for all difficulties isn't what the poster in question wanted. At least not the way I read his post. He only seemed to say that non permanent narrative choice=bad and that their permanence should be forced.

So really ALL you're arguing about is the bioshock equivalent of whether mission should stay dead or not? Other than that you see no real problem with having gigantic morality switches at the drop of a hat, as long as permanent things stay permanent?

Because I'm pretty sure we could get down into some ludicrous semantic detail here if we really tried.

But fuck it. Let's assume that what you've taken from his statement is the entirety of his intention, and that he simply wants all narrative choices to be permanent. That's fine. What I object to is the following:

It should be forced on in all modes.
For everyone.
Even those who don't want that.

I can see absolutely no reason ever, EVER, to remove options from games. Adding options? Sure. Fuck, I'm all about the whole "well you can play it this way but you don't have to", but anything that says "yeah we did have that, but we thought nah, fuck it: DO IT THIS WAY AND NO OTHER WAY"...is just pointless for the sake of pointlessness. Always give you audience more options if you can.

God damnit.

I kind of do, but that's not what I was arguing about.

Well DDL, see I think that a choice which can be retconned whenever isn't really a good choice. Because there's no way you can build any real consequences around that if you have to be able to change everything at the drop of a hat and a choice with no real consequences is just flavor. There's other reasons as well, but that's a pretty major one.

I am pretty sure I've argued along these lines before on this forum so I don't really see much point in doing it again. Don't even know why I decided to defend some random internet commentator.

Erm, it's not compulsory to play 1999 mode. Those who are up for it, go get 'em.

I'm still trying to get my mind around Elizabeth, and I'll stick to Normal difficulty.

Seriously people? How can anyone be opposed to this? I'll take more complexity and choice any day of the week, but seriously how can anyone be opposed to offering the choice to gamers? People who don't like it don't get it, people who like it get it. Everybody wins.
(And without making this optional this feature probably wouldn't have made it at all, because those who like more complexity are a minority and are thus not financially attractive to cater to for AAA developers).

@Hassat
I'll wait till the price drop then. Besides, I can't actually bet with anyone intending to play this way; it would change the circumstances of the bet.

@Darth Jaedar
Please don't choke me! Also, I hope you will remember it I want to see if I'm right.

Besides, I like betting on things, it's not just a question of faith. I occasionally lose, but I win much more often.

Well, BioShock 2 is still sitting here in plastic... so it's going to take a while. Too much things on Steam and GOG that interest me more...

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm BioShock 2. Those Little Sister defence sequences. Soooooo well designed.